Thanks all. I realize the futility of getting the real JWs to speak. I called the phone number listed here for the JWs and was asking a lot of questions until he asked if I had been disf'd. Seems there is no way one's family will speak to him unless the victim repents and re joins and keeps quiet. Sad isn't it?
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by riz inhi there, cliff.. nice to have you with us.
i've noticed on a few threads you've been asking if anyone here is a jw.
i think you will find that you will get better results if you ask specific questions.
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WHY THE DOLLAR IS DOOMED
by You Know injesus pointed out the hypocrisy of those in his day whose faithlessness led them to become intransigent in the face of jesus' credentials as the messiah and all that that entailed as to jehovah's judgments.
likewise, the prophets indicate that ridiculers and apostates will proclaim themselves to be unconvinced concerning the evidence of christ presence and impending judgment of this system.
jesus' rebuke is equally applicable today, where he acknowledged that his generation was expert in using their powers of reason to interpret the changing clouds and winds to accurately predict the next day's weather, and yet jesus said of them: "hypocrites!
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Are you familiar with Ray Franz?
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Why is it that if anyone disagrees with the WT that they are disf'd, even if later proved right? Surely Franz had the direction of Jesus who had come back in 1914?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------"It is not just the act of disagreement. But, the bottom line is that Jehovah is the one to redirect his servants, not any man." (Y K)
So, how is it that you are not df'd? Do you hide YOUR apostasy and disbelief in the W T?
You don't seem to be answering my posts!
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by riz inhi there, cliff.. nice to have you with us.
i've noticed on a few threads you've been asking if anyone here is a jw.
i think you will find that you will get better results if you ask specific questions.
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Fredhall
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Since: Feb 5, 2001 Posted: May 29, 2001 3:37:49 PM
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What do you have to do with the Watchtower org? Why are you going against Christ brothers. And why are you going against Jesus my king?
(Fred Hall)Fred, I just called the JWs in New York. They tell me I can never have my family speak to me unless I am reinstated as a JW. I can not just drop out and repent and be friends with my family.
I refuse to pretend I believe the false prophecies as you do, just to have what's left of my family speak. My mom and dad died without being allowed to say goodbye.
I curse all of you JWs for this and hope their IS a burning Hell for your souls! May your hypocracy be tortured with you! Cliff
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WHY THE DOLLAR IS DOOMED
by You Know injesus pointed out the hypocrisy of those in his day whose faithlessness led them to become intransigent in the face of jesus' credentials as the messiah and all that that entailed as to jehovah's judgments.
likewise, the prophets indicate that ridiculers and apostates will proclaim themselves to be unconvinced concerning the evidence of christ presence and impending judgment of this system.
jesus' rebuke is equally applicable today, where he acknowledged that his generation was expert in using their powers of reason to interpret the changing clouds and winds to accurately predict the next day's weather, and yet jesus said of them: "hypocrites!
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If you say "apostate," do you mean the JWs who continue to make false prophecies about the end?
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Again, you have it backwards. The apostates haven/t abandonned Jehovah or His people; The Watchtower has forced the JWs to shun anyone who believes as you do that the WT is full of crap and false prophecies.
I would gladly associate with the Witnesses if they would even speak to me.
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by riz inhi there, cliff.. nice to have you with us.
i've noticed on a few threads you've been asking if anyone here is a jw.
i think you will find that you will get better results if you ask specific questions.
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What does Jehovah have to do with the Watchtower Org? Didn't you tell me that Christ/Jesus/Michael came back in 1914 and is now (as always) directing the WT?
Again, what DOES Jesus/Jehovah have to do with the WTB&TS?
Fred: <<Fredhall
Cliff,What do you have to do with the Watchtower org? Why are you going against Christ brothers. And why are you going against Jesus my king?>>
Fred, would you be more specific? How am I going against Brooklyn's Brothers? Haven't I told the truth that Christ/Michael came back in 1914 and is now directing the false prophecies of the WT?
Do you have another "Truth?" Please share!
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by AMNESIAN inbrother, please, if you would, inform as to exactly what your genuine view is of the wbts and, particularly, the gb in relation to bible prophecy, christianity, and its self-professed role as the so-called "fds" and sole spokesman for jehovah?
much of what you post (or, at least, the posts i've read) is clearly at tremendous odds with their published teachings, yet, on its face, your position seems to be as one of their staunchest defenders/supporters.
i don't wish to in any way ridicule you ---there's a bit too much of that around here (from you included!
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YK: <<you are directly at odds with Jesus. At John 8:44 Jesus said that the Devil "was a manslayer when he began." Also at the time of Jesus' arrest, Christ indicated that the reason he had been handed over was because the hour had come for the authority of the darkness. So the Bible reveals that Satan is the one responsible for Jesus' death. Furthermore, >>
Are you just going to take the word of oral 2nd or 3rd hand testimony that the Devil did anything at all? Don't you think the Devil would have written something as well?
Why is it that you can't get any results by praying to Jesus OR Satan? Aren't either one at home? Pray tell, if Jesus is now ruling over us since 1914, it seems He wouldn't have so far to go to answer prayers. Jesus, are you listening at Brooklyn Hdqs?
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by riz inhi there, cliff.. nice to have you with us.
i've noticed on a few threads you've been asking if anyone here is a jw.
i think you will find that you will get better results if you ask specific questions.
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Fredhall
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Since: Feb 5, 2001 Posted: May 29, 2001 3:20:44 PM
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If you can find a better God than Jehovah, then show me. (Fred)
Well, let's see; there is Allah, Satan, and many more who have never cursed, tortured or murdered innocent children. Did I show you? -
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For Cliff Jackson
by riz inhi there, cliff.. nice to have you with us.
i've noticed on a few threads you've been asking if anyone here is a jw.
i think you will find that you will get better results if you ask specific questions.
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Cliff Jackson
Tallyman
Cliff,I am a Real "J" "W".
What is a "J" "W"? Anyhow, I just have one question. (Compound.) If you believe (and you have to) that Jesus came back in 1914 and is now directing His Org, why doesn't He get the prophecies and guesses right? I have been out for several years and I haven't kept up with any guesses since 1975.
Another question would be: Why isn't You Know or maybe Fred disfellowshipped?
Finally, do you believe the Watchtower, or are you like YK or Fred who say it is corrupt?
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Dear Brother "You Know"
by AMNESIAN inbrother, please, if you would, inform as to exactly what your genuine view is of the wbts and, particularly, the gb in relation to bible prophecy, christianity, and its self-professed role as the so-called "fds" and sole spokesman for jehovah?
much of what you post (or, at least, the posts i've read) is clearly at tremendous odds with their published teachings, yet, on its face, your position seems to be as one of their staunchest defenders/supporters.
i don't wish to in any way ridicule you ---there's a bit too much of that around here (from you included!
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You Know: <<So, while I am aware of numerous deficiencies in the Watchtower's present teaching, I don't seize upon these as a reason for apostatizing from Jehovah. I am loyal to God and my brothers and am determined to wait on Christ to sort all this stuff out when he arrives. The way I figure it, you gotta dance with the one that brung ya. The Watchtower has taught me many wonderful things about God for which I am deeply grateful. It sorrows me to see the all the difficulties coming upon the organization, but it's all a part of God's purpose to refine his people and settle the issues that Satan has raised. I hope to write more on this later. / You Know>>
How is it that you (know) are not disf'd? You have surely angered the G B much more than Ray Franz. You say you will wait on Christ...
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by riz inhi there, cliff.. nice to have you with us.
i've noticed on a few threads you've been asking if anyone here is a jw.
i think you will find that you will get better results if you ask specific questions.
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"I realize you are wanting to hear the 'active' JW's try to explain these things. To that, I say 'Good Luck.'
Here, the replies you will most likely get are from Fred and You Know. If you're lucky, StillinTruth will throw in his two cents. Who knows if these guys are really witnesses. But if they are for real, they are a good example of the mental prowess that you are up against.
Again, welcome. And who knows? Perhaps a genuine dub will stick their neck out and take a stab at your questions."
rizzy
Fredhall
Cliff,If you can find a better God than Jehovah, then show me."
What does Jehovah have to do with the Watchtower Org? Didn't you tell me that Christ/Jesus/Michael came back in 1914 and is now (as always) directing the WT?
Again, what DOES Jesus/Jehovah have to do with the WTB&TS?